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		<title>Yahoo and Javascript Drop Downs</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yahoo informed us a while back that they had problems with our navigation at http://www.framesdirect.com. Apparently, on the bottom of some of our catalog pages we had links to &#8220;More designer eyeglasses&#8221; where we would list other brands. Say for instance someone is looking at Ray Ban eyeglasses on our Ray Ban catalog page. At [...]<p><a href="http://www.weboptimist.com/yahoo-and-javascript-drop-downs/2006/11/06/"><span property="dc:date" content="2006-11-06 23:01:13" resource="http://www.weboptimist.com/yahoo-and-javascript-drop-downs/2006/11/06/" /><span rel="http://www.weboptimist.com/yahoo-and-javascript-drop-downs/2006/11/06/" property="dc:title" resource="http://www.weboptimist.com/yahoo-and-javascript-drop-downs/2006/11/06/">Yahoo and Javascript Drop Downs</span></a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.weboptimist.com">SEO in The Desert</a> | More about <a href="http://www.weboptimist.com/palm-springs-seo-workshops/">Palm Springs SEO</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo informed us a while back that they had problems with our navigation at <a href="http://www.framesdirect.com/">http://www.framesdirect.com</a>. Apparently, on the bottom of some of our catalog pages we had links to &#8220;More designer eyeglasses&#8221; where we would list other brands. Say for instance someone is looking at Ray Ban eyeglasses on our Ray Ban catalog page. At the bottom, we&#8217;d have a section for &#8220;Other designer eyeglasses&#8221; and list Rodenstock and others that came close alphabetically. We figured it was handy for the user and is pretty standard. Heck, even Amazon.com does it.</p>
<p>Yahoo, however, considered the practice to be spammy and redundant. Of course, when you try to ask what they mean, they basically just repeat themselves (look at our guidelines, etc.) and won&#8217;t give you any information.</p>
<p>We couldn&#8217;t figure out why they felt this way. Our competition is doing the same thing (and a lot worse) and Yahoo wasn&#8217;t giving them any grief.</p>
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<p>The &#8220;redundant&#8221; part is what we couldn&#8217;t figure out. After all, our drop down navigation is in a javascript, which isn&#8217;t spiderable, so we weren&#8217;t repeating links on the page. It just didn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>So, we&#8217;re in the process of reinventing our navigation system to make the Yahoo Gods happy and hope to roll it out shortly, but a funny thing is happening. I just noticed in our ranking reports that a lot of our brand phrase keywords are ranking well in Yahoo.</p>
<p>Interesting. What appears to be happening is that the main page to the Frames Direct site is ranking for search phrases rather than the actual product page. For instance, we show a #1 rank in Yahoo for &#8220;abba sagami eyeglasses&#8221; for the main FD page and it appears to be finding &#8220;abba sagami&#8221; in the drop down and is obviously pulling &#8220;eyeglasses&#8221; off of the page.</p>
<p>What is really interesting is that if you view the source for our main page in IE, the links in the drop downs don&#8217;t show, which would lead me to believe the drop downs aren&#8217;t spiderable. If I spider the page with my spidering software, the drop down links don&#8217;t show up, either</p>
<p>But, if you view the source in Firefox, the drop down links appear and you can find &#8220;abba sagami&#8221; in it. This would lead me to believe that Yahoo is suddenly using technology similar to Firefox and can find those javascript drop down links.</p>
<p>Fascinating. Apparently Yahoo was seeing something that we weren&#8217;t. As far as they were concerned, our javascript dropdowns ARE spiderable, meaning we were repeating links on the pages.</p>
<p>Wow. That put a whole new spin on things. If they had explained this, we would have seen the light earlier, but as usual, they gave an edict with no explanation and left it with that. Communication is not one of Yahoo&#8217;s strengths.</p>
<p>But, this makes me wonder if Google will be following suit? If so, a lot of sites using drop down javascript navigation could be in for an interesting time.</p>
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		<title>Evoca releases new voice comment plugins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just got an e-mail from Evoca.com, a voice publishing site, announcing new plugins for WordPress, TypePad and eBlogger. It&#8217;s really neat. You can either download the plugin for your blog or place some javascript on your page to use a nifty recorder that people can use to leave comments, suggestions, etc. on your blog [...]<p><a href="http://www.weboptimist.com/evoca-releases-new-voice-comment-plugins/2006/10/31/"><span property="dc:date" content="2006-10-31 21:43:26" resource="http://www.weboptimist.com/evoca-releases-new-voice-comment-plugins/2006/10/31/" /><span rel="http://www.weboptimist.com/evoca-releases-new-voice-comment-plugins/2006/10/31/" property="dc:title" resource="http://www.weboptimist.com/evoca-releases-new-voice-comment-plugins/2006/10/31/">Evoca releases new voice comment plugins</span></a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.weboptimist.com">SEO in The Desert</a> | More about <a href="http://www.weboptimist.com/palm-springs-seo-workshops/">Palm Springs SEO</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="left">I just got an e-mail from <a href="http://www.evoca.com" title="Evoca" target="_blank">Evoca.com</a>, a voice publishing site, announcing new plugins for WordPress, TypePad and eBlogger. It&#8217;s really neat. You can either download the plugin for your blog or place some javascript on your page to use a nifty recorder that people can use to leave comments, suggestions, etc. on your blog or site. See the bottom of any page on this blog to check it out. I opted for the javascript because the recorder is just too wide for my sidebar and it pushed everything out of place.</p>
<p>Once you retrieve your recorded comments, Evoca gives you HTML code that you can use to put the recording in your blog if you think it&#8217;s worthy of blogspace.  I&#8217;m still playing with that function. So far, unless I paste the code in a separate comment, my header, footer and sidebar disappear. I&#8217;ll keep working on that.</p>
<p>One thing Iâ€™d like to see them implement &#8211; the ability to resize the recorder. I also think that itâ€™s a bit awkward to have to hit the â€œSendâ€ button after the recording is made. The way the box is organized, it looks like the â€œSendâ€ is for sending a note by e-mail. The first time I tried recording, I didnâ€™t know I had to â€œSendâ€ it.  Minor things. You do have to open a free account with Evoca, but hey, itâ€™s free.</p>
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